31-07-2005, 14:46
<font color="red">Didier</font>><font color="blue">Tolkien donne au moins deux noms à cette forme fléchie (en -li): "partitif pluriel" [WJ/388] ou "pluriel général" [par ex. cf. les Etymologies, entrée TELES]...</font><p>Et aussi, de manière plus générale, pour les pluriels généraux des langues eldarines on trouve les appellations <i>collective plural</i> dans les <i>letters</i> :<p><blockquote>The Eldarin languages distinguish in forms and use between a 'partitive' or 'particular' plural, and the general or total plural. Thus yrch 'orcs, some orcs, des orques' occurs in vol I pp. 359,402; the Orcs, as a race, or the whole of a group previously mentioned would have been orchoth. In Grey-elven the general plurals were very frequently made by adding to a name (or a place-name) some word meaning 'tribe, host, horde, people'. So Haradrim the Southrons: Q. rimbe, S. rim, host; Onod-rim the Ents. The Rohirrim is derived from roch (Q. rokko) horse, and the Elvish stem kher- 'possess'; whence Sindarin Rochir 'horse-lord', and Rochir-rim 'the host of the Horse-lords'.<br>[Letters,n°144]</blockquote><p>et <i>group plural</i> dans the <i>Road Goes Ever On</i> :<p><blockquote>But the suffix -ath (originally a collective noun-suffix) was used as a group plural, embracing all things of the same name, or those associated in some special arrangement or organization.</blockquote><p>Notons que la forme quenya <b>-li</b> n'est cependant pas citée dans ces passages :)<p>*B*<br>