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le destin de la bouche de sauron contredit le manicheisme chez PJ
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Par "ambiguité", je ne voulais pas dire que Sauron ne voulait pas dominer la Terre du Milieu.<br>Prenez Saruman (celui du texte). Tout dépend si vous considérez sa position comme ambigu ou non mais c'est mon cas. Ce que je considère comme "ambigu", c'est le but ultime de Sauron qui n'était pas la destruction, ni le remplacement des hommes par des orcs: il voulait, à l'origine, ordonner dans la paix la terre du Milieu, ordonner à sa manière bien sûr pour ce qu'il pensait être "bien être" de ses habitants car il avait interprété, à tord, la submersion de Numenor comme une malédiction aux hommes d'Eru et la séparation d'Aman d'Arda comme une destitution des Valar du contrôle d'Arda. Il a cru que Manwë voulait "recoloniser" la Terre du Milieu en envoyant les Istari qui apparaissent comme des envahisseurs à ses yeux (il n'avait pas tord dans le cas de Saruman).<br>Sauron n'avait pas une position très différente de celle de Saruman au 3ieme âge.<p><br><i>Sauron had never reached this stage of nihilistic madness. He did not object to the existence of the world, so long as he could do what he liked with it. He still had the relics of positive purposes, that descended from the good of the nature in which he began: it had been his virtue (and therefore also the cause of his fall, and of his relapse) that he loved order and coordination, and disliked all confusion and wasteful friction. (It was the apparent will and power of Melkor to effect his designs quickly and masterfully that had first attracted Sauron to him.)<br> Sauron had, in fact, been very like Saruman, and so still understood him quickly and could guess what he would be likely to think and do, even without the aid of palantiri or of spies; whereas Gandalf eluded and puzzled him. But like all minds of this cast, Sauron's love (originally) or (later) mere understanding of other individual intelligences was correspondingly weaker; and though the only real good in, or rational motive for, all this ordering and planning and organization was the good of all inhabitants of Arda (even admitting Sauron's right to be their supreme lord), his 'plans', the idea coming from his own isolated mind, became the sole object of his will, and an end, the End, in itself.<br>[...]<br>He probably deluded himself with the notion that the Valar (including Melkor) having failed, Eru had simply abandoned Ea, or at any rate Arda, and would not concern himself with it any more. It would appear that he interpreted the 'change of the world' at the Downfall of Numenor, when Aman was removed from the physical world, in this sense: Valar (and Elves) were removed from effective control, and Men under God's curse and wrath. If he thought about the Istari, especially Saruman and Gandalf, he imagined them as emissaries from the Valar, seeking to establish their lost power again and 'colonize' Middle-earth, as a mere effort of defeated imperialists (without knowledge or sanction of Eru). His cynicism, which (sincerely) regarded the motives of Manwe as precisely the same as his own, seemed fully justified in Saruman. Gandalf he did not understand. But certainly he had already become evil, and therefore stupid, enough to imagine that his different behaviour was due simply to weaker intelligence and lack of firm masterful purpose. He was only a rather cleverer Radagast - cleverer, because it is more profitable (more productive of power) to become absorbed in the study of people than of animals. </i><br>Notes on motives in the Silmarillion.
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