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Korea, je ne suis pas trop convaincu par ta première explication.. le fait que l'éthymologie indique "demeure" ne signifie pas "demeure de Cirdan"... Ca peut être plus général. :-)

Dior,
L'idée de capitale que tu as lu ne vient-elle pas de HoME XI, THE WAR OF THE JEWELS, dans la première partie, chapitre 1 "The Annals of Beleriand or Grey Annals".

Car on peut y lire

à la fin du § 38: "Orcs came down upon either side of Menegroth, and from camps in the east between Celon and Gelion, and west in the plains between Sirion and Narog, they plundered far and wide; and Thingol was cut off from Cirdan at Eglarest.".

Il n'est question que d'Eglarest où Cirdan se trouve (est-ce pour autant sa capitale?)

puis au § 47: "Tidings of these great deeds came to Menegroth and to Eglarest, and the Grey-elves were filled with wonder and with hope, for they looked to have great help in their defence against Morgoth..."

Idem

et enfin, et surtout, à la fin du § 85 : "But in Eglarest, and west of Nenning to the Sea, Cirdan the Shipwright was lord, yet ever he was close in friendship with Nargothrond.".

Là, c'est déjà un peu plus clair: "in Eglarest,Cirdan was lord"

Sans oublier le § 90: "$90. Here with the aid of the Noldor (whose skill far surpassed that of the Sindar) Brithombar and Eglarest were walled about with great walls, and fair towns were raised within, and harbours with quays and piers of stone. And the Tower of Ingildon was set up upon the cape west of Eglarest to watch the Sea; though needlessly, as it proved. For at no time ever did Morgoth essay to build ships or to make war by sea. Water all his servants shunned, and to the Sea none would willing go nigh, save in dire need."

Le fait que la Tour d'Ingildon soit érigée le long d'Eglarest est peut-être un indice de plus.

Mais on n'a là que des indices et pas la certitude absolue qu'Eglarest soit une capitale, et je n'ai rien vu d'autre dans les occurences des HoME.

Silmo

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